previously on efixx we reviewed this
rather cool Milwaukee force logic hole punch well today it's time to put it head
to head with this Mandrex hole saw system that's like taking a Lamborghini on the
school run you can do it but it's overkill well we don't know again i've set a little
challenge up for us here you know we like a challenge on efixx you know it could even be race
i'd just like to stop you there i know how this works before i take it you're taking this one
i've got the old traditional method because i do like this Mandrex hole saws for electricians
but let's call it a review and that means that we won't be uh sweating and rushing around as
we punch these holes i take it that's going to have to come into this trunking yeah well okay
that's what you don't want to race you know confident in your own abilities i know how this
works and how it works well we'll call it a review but it's the same challenge we've got set up in
front of us we've got a drill five holes or you've got to drill five holes with your hole saw sixteen
to forty millimetres okay yeah i'm gonna punch i'm gonna smoothly punch with this cool tool
five holes okay from 16 up to 40 millimetres okay that's that seems well within my comfort zone and
we're gonna now review the Milwaukee force logic against the lovely electrician's kit from Mandrax
so first up the force logic from Milwaukee but i'm seeing a step cutter yeah i've got to drill
my pilot holes for the uh for the hole punch to work Gary so that's one of the things i'm
not seeing on many of the reviews that i've seen of this tool before you have to drill a
hole before you punch a hole yeah that's right and obviously people are going to be watching
this thing well why don't you just use the uh the step cut you've got there that wouldn't be a
very good uh Milwaukee forced logic review though no it wouldn't no but yeah you're right people
miss that out okay so there's your first one and you're going to drill a three at is it 12 mil and
a couple at 20 mill in order to facilitate these uh hole punches i can drill them all at once
that's what i'm going to do okay well i'm just going to step over and i'm going to just drill my
first hole and make it a 16mm hole okay we could have just used the step cutter for that i could
have done but that wouldn't have been a review of the Mandrex hole saws then would it hopefully
going in with that just put them into the drill yeah well i've got a top tip for you Gary you
shouldn't have put that cooling gel on before you've found the punched mark oh it's the first
time i got hold of the cooling gel you've done the other reviews on it i was desperate to use it
so you can see there my mandrel was going in and that mandrel will remain on the uh hole saw for
the entire time i cut these so as i go through now and then my 16 mil hole saw will cut a hole so one
action really and you're saying that's complete then well i know you're going back in again well
no yeah that's the initial hole so you've got two actions to do and i've got two actions no no
no one's winning that argument bar me okay so as always it's a slower speed now i'm on speed
setting one and i'm using the cooling gel in order to prolong the life of my cutting tool as well as
make a perfectly clean hole is the thinking behind it so it's not full trigger we're not racing we're
trying to review these tools yeah it seems to be taking a long time well when you do it correctly
it will do yeah and you notice that the the swarf is being held by the cooling gel as well i
remember being on site and being sprayed with very uh fine shards of red-hot swarf and i did holes
at a faster speed and yeah so we're still doing that yeah so i'm back in for those slightly larger
pilot holes i've marked my step cutter green and blue so i know what that was you can't overshoot
on a step cutter and i wouldn't want that to happen because then i wouldn't get to use the
cool tool that is the force logic so you're still drilling holes to punch holes yeah but once i get
going with that force logic i'm gonna you're gonna see some action then a bit of cooling gel i think
you're a little late with that one though weren't you yeah yeah okay i'm trying to back up the lost
time here so that's 20 mil so you've got two 20 and two three at 12.
Yeah so just yeah just clear
that away okay and now i can start assembling the hole punch so that was a 12 mil hole just remind
me of the size of hole you're going to punch out now we're going to just go take that 12 mil up to
16 millimetres oh thank thank uh thankfully we've got the force logic from Milwaukee to make
that hole at 16 mil yeah okay i must admit it's probably one of the least used ones that
are in the uh box of punches that come with this tool but it's quick once i get going so
i'm i've hitched up there with the ball grab this [ __ ] this is the only bit you'd see on site
yeah yeah come in and watch me make a hole yeah there you go look at that yeah effortless so now
just got to remove the the waste material from the punch and die set i wouldn't imagine if we had a
12 mil hole that we've got much when it's now 16. there's a sliver of metal there's one bit
dropped out you didn't see it there did you yeah i did see it and then it comes to the second
bit is it yeah there they are i'll find them in a minute there they are wow so you've done
the first one yep right i've changed over now my hole saw uh and i'm now at 20 mil just move
that block of wood i tend to keep missing them exactly the same process okay following my
top tip now you're going to actually bring the cooling gel in a little bit later in um
yeah i just want to mix it up really you know people don't want to see me doing the same every
time and again just drill through and then cut my hole out nothing quite difficult about this is
that yeah there you go and a slow speed uh of course you know i'm gonna bring that cooling gel
in look at that i've got two hands going now oh like a potter's wheel so uh so that will be a 16
and a 20 mil done for me exactly the same process two really have done the pilot
hole in the larger i'm not again yeah yeah it's it is
the trick to go slow and yeah i probably overdid the cooling gel
a little but that's the whole through right so i'm just doing my 20 millimetre
hole now so i've got the punch in there all assembled in there you go look a lot quicker
a lot smoother you see i'm not shaking around on the bench from the drill i'm just just calmly
getting on with it it sounds like we're missing the step cutter action that we had just a few
moments ago yeah but you might have the apprentice doing that just come in with a cool tool to finish
the job off yeah so just disassemble the punch and die assembly again just tap out the material
a little bit a little bit with more material and move that top hid it in the trunking i
noticed um now stepped up to my 32 mil hole so i've done a 25 off camera and now i'm at
32 because this is the stage where you've got a larger hole isn't you notice my kit apart
from a hole saw it's identical as i had before okay we've got that cool and gentle it drags it in
look at that ah yes and again i'm going a little bit slower again now so i've got a larger
size of um hole saw so i need to go slower in order to get that nice cut into the trunking
you know often with full trigger speed two aren't we trying to blast through desperately just pull
the trigger forward i'm not desperate at all so just gently does it you know it's no smoking off
mine and i have noticed actually how the the uh the waste material just drops out at the end you
get a lot of holes with a claim i have a spring for sheet metal it just doesn't seem like you're
neither here if you go on the right speed the the middle bit just drops out you saw it again there
yeah just drops through okay so you're in your 20 mil hole for your 32 from being more comfortable
yeah okay yeah so again same thing just putting the the die on for the bottom there bring it
in just put the safety guard in so we don't trap our fingers in there and the bit we all love
yeah we could watch that all day long couldn't we yeah just takes it out there so final one then
so i think we're up to 40 mil now i don't want to say it i will use exactly the same kit apart from
the fact i've clicked there no i've clicked around i missed the hole again yes i've clipped in
my 40 mm hole saw into my Mandrex hole saw and there we go what cool gel i just like it
you know i've sprayed it everywhere there and i so yeah i've been at a festival there
everybody got a bit in the audience and there we go just gently on the
last bit the speed was even slower i think that's me done okay well i'll just
stop but i've just got one more hole to do and that's that that's the 40 millimetre i must
point out this tool will go up to 100 millimetre hole size okay what size hole do you have
to pre-drill for that 99 mil no that's it once you're into that zone it's only that 20
millimetre hole but look at that we're done that's a 40 millimetre one so just remove the swarf
and waste from the from the punch and die set obviously always have to disassemble it because
you've got to re-thread it through a pre-drilled pilot hole Gary yeah okay which is the first
bit of the uh presentation where you drilled five holes before you punched five volts and
there's your waste material okay or one again then oh there you go at all it was quicker it wasn't
a race it was a review wasn't it was just a review hang on hang on you press that start
button there and i press that one over there so that's my time i won the race i won
the race no hold on you said this wasn't a race you were quite categoric at the
start this wasn't a race you wanted to follow the manufacturer's instructions and just
do everything by the boot you had to cooling gel you weren't maxing out on the Makita so it's not
a race but you know so i won the review yeah your way of doing it initially was faster than this
way yeah initially faster initially faster okay we'll come up with that what i really think we
need to do now Gary is just look at hole quality okay yeah because i mean once you've drilled ten
oh no obviously the first five have disappeared punched i drilled five punched five okay so we're
looking at your punch titles yeah let's have a look at these punch holes okay do that and the
Mandrex does a good hole but a punched hole oh they are smooth i mean that is i would say you
could you wouldn't even need a grommet on those controversial but uh drop a
comment on there but they are not going to damage any cables on those they are
run the finger around there all day okay yeah i'm not going to run my finger out there all day
there is no on the top it's a it's a clean hole for a hole saw a fantastic job but i would
suggest that you're going to have to do just a little bit of de-burring look at that you see
i'm running my finger around there i'm picking up just need to wipe up really at the end i think
yeah you need to do some de-burring on those holes again let's go back to the race that i won
yeah look at the time difference review sorry it would be another five minutes cleaning those
up i think and uh we'll look at that and then possibly also let's just have a look at the
little swarfomiter oh right is that what these soup containers pee and ham are all about are they
yeah so you did you've generated a lot more swarf do you think that's the the real thing that's
gonna send people over the line to get the forced logic from Milwaukee is these two soup containers
at the end do you think they'll be the one that sends them off to purchase it could be but you
know it's a lot more a lot more cooling gel used there yeah i think yeah okay let's let's leave
you to decide yeah thoughts below we've used a step cutter i'm sure there's already some comments
going in about the step cut we've used the lovely fine-tooth electrician set from uh Mandrex which
i love in order to drill these wonderful holes in less time than it took to use this Milwaukee
force logic which is slightly more expensive than this compact set of hole saws here from Mandrex
okay that do lovely smooth holes do you agree we love the Mandrex also this looks cool yeah it does
you know if you're in if you're in the market to spend a lot of money on a hole punch i mean this
looks good and you know you probably wouldn't use the 16 millimetre one you'd probably want to buy
some additional punches that may push the price up a little bit more i like the 100 mil one idea yeah
and this stainless steel we can talk about that check out the review we made on this tool if you
haven't seen it share your comments on where you are using it okay or if you're not using it and
you're using something say like this hole saw kit from Mandrex designed for electricians recommended
by an electrician that was considerably quicker than this one from Milwaukee would also like to
hear all of those comments below and Gordon's got something on what's that mystery tool there you've
brought out the end i was just kind of running well i think catch up with Gary in our next video
leave those comments but in the next video Gary will be demonstrating how to de-burr a hole with
this uh noga deburring tool and i'll be watching him with perhaps i might have a cup of coffee with
another tool that you suggested wasn't it wasn't quite up to par but i will enjoy drinking a cup
of coffee while Gary deburrs those holes we'll let your comments and thoughts below decide
the argument that i've just won daddy deburr you